Comments on: How do you measure a… http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536 Expatriate, not Ex-Patriot. Adam in Berlin. elmada.com Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:51:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Adam http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6235 Adam Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:22:46 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6235 G, I will look into an email comments plugin--I've never installed one because it's never occurred to me that people wanted one. It might take me a week or so to find the right one. I don't have a lot of time right now (about to leave for work), but other than in India, I don't think McD has ever claimed their fries were vegetarian. As I understand it, when McD switched fats the first time, Julia Child was upset--she felt that the fries tasted better with the beef tallow in the oil. Again, I will state, I am favor posting information about the health content of foods that are sold, whether at McDonalds or a 4 star restaurant... G, I will look into an email comments plugin–I’ve never installed one because it’s never occurred to me that people wanted one. It might take me a week or so to find the right one.

I don’t have a lot of time right now (about to leave for work), but other than in India, I don’t think McD has ever claimed their fries were vegetarian. As I understand it, when McD switched fats the first time, Julia Child was upset–she felt that the fries tasted better with the beef tallow in the oil.

Again, I will state, I am favor posting information about the health content of foods that are sold, whether at McDonalds or a 4 star restaurant…

]]> By: G http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6227 G Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:17:19 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6227 - Excuse the typos, and for the curious, I quit smoking 11 years ago, so I have watched the change and been part of it- when I worked on Wall Street and the ban came in, my desk became "the designated smoking area" until I was so overwhelmed by the smog I had to ban it. - Excuse the typos, and for the curious, I quit smoking 11 years ago, so I have watched the change and been part of it- when I worked on Wall Street and the ban came in, my desk became “the designated smoking area” until I was so overwhelmed by the smog I had to ban it.

]]> By: G http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6226 G Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:14:30 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6226 Dash it all, can'y you add the thingie that alows udates on commented threads to be e-mailed to one? Yes, in NYC when transfat contents and calories were required to be listed, the restaurant chains (and here I mean real food as well as fat) wound up cutting sometimes 1/3 of the menu because people would not eat the items when they could actually see the contents. Now of course transfats are also banned. I think the Yoga fanataics (like fat unercised me?) are so angry because the deck is so stacked against particularly the poor and uneducated. It is so much easier (and cheaper) to eat fast and unhealthy than the other. The upper classes are the thin ones now. The lower and overworked middle are having chemicals and crap thrown at them (and really- it is far cheaper to buy a meal at McDs BK than it is to make the same thing). If you are poor, odds are you can't afford the healthy stuff. Humans are wired to want more calories and its a self perpetuating endocrinal cycle. So throw things like transfats and HFCS in, which in animal studies produce tremendous obesity and non-recognition of satiety signals, then argue about simply labeling? Pretty clear that, like cigarettes, they don't want you to know. And, as we all now, cigarettes are an addiction. So are HFCS and sugar. Would we allow people to put alcohol in food without labeling? Or, like McDs put beef fat in their vegetarian labeled fries- it's all about making profit through lies. Since the pushing of cigarette labeling and education, cigarette addiction the the US amongst the educated has drastically declined. Here in Germany it has declined drastically as well. Perhaps people don't realize it, but I do. The first time I ws in Germany (backpacking), I could smoke everywhere- in trains, in stations, in theatres. Now the non-smoking areas vastly outnumber the smoking. The restaurant and bar ban, even with some states fighting back, could never have been conceived of 15 years ago. Telling the truth helps. It's our only weapon against the corporations that constantly lie and use professional psychologists against the consume. I'm an MBA- I really do know. Dash it all, can’y you add the thingie that alows udates on commented threads to be e-mailed to one?
Yes, in NYC when transfat contents and calories were required to be listed, the restaurant chains (and here I mean real food as well as fat) wound up cutting sometimes 1/3 of the menu because people would not eat the items when they could actually see the contents. Now of course transfats are also banned. I think the Yoga fanataics (like fat unercised me?) are so angry because the deck is so stacked against particularly the poor and uneducated. It is so much easier (and cheaper) to eat fast and unhealthy than the other. The upper classes are the thin ones now. The lower and overworked middle are having chemicals and crap thrown at them (and really- it is far cheaper to buy a meal at McDs BK than it is to make the same thing). If you are poor, odds are you can’t afford the healthy stuff. Humans are wired to want more calories and its a self perpetuating endocrinal cycle. So throw things like transfats and HFCS in, which in animal studies produce tremendous obesity and non-recognition of satiety signals, then argue about simply labeling? Pretty clear that, like cigarettes, they don’t want you to know.
And, as we all now, cigarettes are an addiction. So are HFCS and sugar. Would we allow people to put alcohol in food without labeling? Or, like McDs put beef fat in their vegetarian labeled fries- it’s all about making profit through lies. Since the pushing of cigarette labeling and education, cigarette addiction the the US amongst the educated has drastically declined. Here in Germany it has declined drastically as well. Perhaps people don’t realize it, but I do. The first time I ws in Germany (backpacking), I could smoke everywhere- in trains, in stations, in theatres. Now the non-smoking areas vastly outnumber the smoking. The restaurant and bar ban, even with some states fighting back, could never have been conceived of 15 years ago.
Telling the truth helps. It’s our only weapon against the corporations that constantly lie and use professional psychologists against the consume.
I’m an MBA- I really do know.

]]> By: Adam http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6222 Adam Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:07:45 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6222 @Disenchanted: I rarely have BK cravings, but I have to confess, I had a huge Whopper craving last week and I quenched it. I can assure you, I have no desire to go back in the near future. @G: I'm all in favor of information disclosure--fat/caloric content ought to be posted (isn't it now required at chain restaurants in NYC?)--but the sense of moral outrage and surprise offered up by the Yoga-Health-Fanatics is a bit odd to me. It's common sense that a Whopper isn't healthy--but on the other hand, one Whopper every two or three months isn't going to kill you. Two a day might.... @Ian: That's interesting--I view fast food restaurants as having clean toilets both here and in the US. My father does too, but my Grandfather, when he was alive, thought of gas stations--we would be driving around upstate New York and if he needed to use the WC, he would ask to stop at a gas station. I think, by mid 1980s, that gas station toilets were outclassed by fast food joints. @Scott: I'm pro-labeling. More information is better than less (except to those running the Bush administration)--I'm also pro-First Amendment/Freedom of Speech. As for the photo, I have a very open CC license on the photo and I don't believe they are violating the terms of use--they do credit the source with a link. @CQ: Malcontent Whopper? Is that the Emo Whopper? @Disenchanted: I rarely have BK cravings, but I have to confess, I had a huge Whopper craving last week and I quenched it. I can assure you, I have no desire to go back in the near future.

@G: I’m all in favor of information disclosure–fat/caloric content ought to be posted (isn’t it now required at chain restaurants in NYC?)–but the sense of moral outrage and surprise offered up by the Yoga-Health-Fanatics is a bit odd to me. It’s common sense that a Whopper isn’t healthy–but on the other hand, one Whopper every two or three months isn’t going to kill you. Two a day might….

@Ian: That’s interesting–I view fast food restaurants as having clean toilets both here and in the US. My father does too, but my Grandfather, when he was alive, thought of gas stations–we would be driving around upstate New York and if he needed to use the WC, he would ask to stop at a gas station. I think, by mid 1980s, that gas station toilets were outclassed by fast food joints.

@Scott: I’m pro-labeling. More information is better than less (except to those running the Bush administration)–I’m also pro-First Amendment/Freedom of Speech. As for the photo, I have a very open CC license on the photo and I don’t believe they are violating the terms of use–they do credit the source with a link.

@CQ: Malcontent Whopper? Is that the Emo Whopper?

]]> By: Cynical Queer http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6218 Cynical Queer Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:26:10 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6218 I wonder when its cousing the Malcontent Whopper will appear on the menu. It is in American Burger Kings today, though I have not tried one. I wonder when its cousing the Malcontent Whopper will appear on the menu. It is in American Burger Kings today, though I have not tried one.

]]> By: Scott http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6217 Scott Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:35:35 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6217 I don't think the fact the cigarette packs in Germany mostly say "Rauchen kann tödlich sein," but people keep smoking. Adding to the BK sign "Angry Whopper kann tödlich sein" probably won't deter anyone. I'm anti-HFCS but think grassroots mobilization to help people buy differently is better than silly corporate restrictions. I work for a big'un company (non-food industry). We're all paid to find ways around restrictions to making more money. What I'm disturbed by is the fact that dailyspark abled to use your photo with just a "source" reference. (The photo is actually stored on their site.) Hm! I don’t think the fact the cigarette packs in Germany mostly say “Rauchen kann tödlich sein,” but people keep smoking. Adding to the BK sign “Angry Whopper kann tödlich sein” probably won’t deter anyone. I’m anti-HFCS but think grassroots mobilization to help people buy differently is better than silly corporate restrictions. I work for a big’un company (non-food industry). We’re all paid to find ways around restrictions to making more money.

What I’m disturbed by is the fact that dailyspark abled to use your photo with just a “source” reference. (The photo is actually stored on their site.) Hm!

]]> By: ian in hamburg http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6216 ian in hamburg Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:05:06 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6216 Blech. The only reason I ever go into Burger King is because it's usually the cleanest place to go to the john. And it's free! No plunking down coins on the way out. Same for Mickey-D's. Blech. The only reason I ever go into Burger King is because it’s usually the cleanest place to go to the john. And it’s free! No plunking down coins on the way out. Same for Mickey-D’s.

]]> By: G http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6215 G Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:11:42 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6215 I guess I am angry, and I do think they should be sold with a big fat sign with the calories listed. Do you realize that is more than 75% of my daily caloric requirement? And I know that: how many others do? If I were the standard 5'5" US woman, that would still be over 60% of my required daily allotment. Without adding a drink or sides. If we allow this to exist, we should require that this is labelled. Whenever that happens (a labelling requirement), strangely enough the transfats and calories wind up being cut tremendously. That makes it clear, does it not, that this is an abuse of ignorant consumers? Why are you in favor? Simply because if you think people arent smart enough to do research, while probably being poor and relatively nutrition unsophisticated, that they should develop diabetes and die? Can you tell this is a trigger issue for me? The hijacking of our food supply in the US has been aided by very big money interests. Like the securitization of mortgages, it has gone from a useful way to allow the masses to eat meat/ fast food/ get mortgages to allowing the masses to be stuffed full of HFCS and transfats/ give mortgages to those who will be destroyed by them/enrich ADM and other huge conglomerates. I guess I am angry, and I do think they should be sold with a big fat sign with the calories listed. Do you realize that is more than 75% of my daily caloric requirement? And I know that: how many others do? If I were the standard 5’5″ US woman, that would still be over 60% of my required daily allotment. Without adding a drink or sides. If we allow this to exist, we should require that this is labelled. Whenever that happens (a labelling requirement), strangely enough the transfats and calories wind up being cut tremendously. That makes it clear, does it not, that this is an abuse of ignorant consumers? Why are you in favor? Simply because if you think people arent smart enough to do research, while probably being poor and relatively nutrition unsophisticated, that they should develop diabetes and die?
Can you tell this is a trigger issue for me? The hijacking of our food supply in the US has been aided by very big money interests. Like the securitization of mortgages, it has gone from a useful way to allow the masses to eat meat/ fast food/ get mortgages to allowing the masses to be stuffed full of HFCS and transfats/ give mortgages to those who will be destroyed by them/enrich ADM and other huge conglomerates.

]]> By: disenchanted http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536&cpage=1#comment-6214 disenchanted Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:54:02 +0000 http://www.elmada.com/?p=2536#comment-6214 BK food always leaves me slightly ill and wishing that I hadn't taken that route. Blah. BK food always leaves me slightly ill and wishing that I hadn’t taken that route. Blah.

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